More about the fine line between opposing Islamism and promoting bigotry against Muslims

April 29, 2008

I finally got a response on the “Creeping Sharia” blog. (See my earlier post More about Islamism and bigotry against Muslims.) Below is my reply.


On the “Creeping Sharia” blog, creeping wrote, in response to a comment by me:

This blog was started to build awareness among the general public. Some on your list of Muslim reformers have commented or linked to us and some on your list may not be as helpful to a coalition as you might think.

That may depend, in part, on what you want the coalition to accomplish, and what your reasons are for being concerned about Islamism in the first place.

Looking more deeply into your blog, it appears that you and I have very different ultimate aims. My aim is religious freedom and separation of church (mosque) and state. Your interest, on the other hand, seems to be in preserving a Christian monopoly. For example, in your post Illinois Muslims Force Elimination of American Festivities in Schools, you even praise Roy Moore’s placement of a Ten Commandments monument in front of a courthouse.

What’s the point of having a Ten Commandments monument in front of a courthouse? The U.S. legal system is not now and never was based primarily on the Ten Commandments. It would have been fine to have had a monument that somehow included many different ancient roots of the U.S. legal system, e.g. elements of Roman and ancient Anglo-Saxon law, in addition to the Ten Commandments. On the other hand, a monument with just the Ten Commandments, in front of a courthouse, is an attempt to give unique official status to Christianity and Judaism as religions.

By the way, the first few paragraphs and the title of your post contain inaccurate old news. See School Keeps Christmas, Halloween; Adds Ramadan, CBS 2 Chicago, October 4, 2007.

I would suggest that you not trust Jim Kouri as a source of reliable and up-to-date information. Double-check what he says. (I’ve critiqued some other writings of his, on another topic, here.)

Back to your comment here:

Research their words and actions.

I would be interested to hear your specific complaints about specific individual Muslim reformers, if you care to discuss this matter further.

You state on your blog that your own organization “will need to tread a very delicate balance as far as Islam is concerned” and “Muslims, have themselves been the target of a lot of bigotry here in the U.S.A.”.

It seems if you oppose Islamism then you need to stop presuming that Muslims are victims

That’s not a “presumption.” Here in the U.S.A., many Muslims have, in fact, been harassed quite a bit since 9/11/2001. Do you personally know any Muslims? I would suggest that you talk to them and ask them about their experiences.

and treading lightly when addressing them.

What is your aim in “addressing them”? If one of your aims is to dicourage Islamism (the political ideology) and extremism among Muslims, then, obviously, Muslim reformers and moderates are in a better position to do that than total outsiders are. The rest of us can help mainly by listening to and calling public attention to the reformers and moderates.

And those who oppose Islamism should start demanding the mainstream media and others who continually use terms like “minority of extremists” or “majority of peaceful Muslims” or “Muslims are targets of a lot of bigotry” start substantiating those claims with facts.

More coverage should indeed be given to what various different Muslim leaders and groups are saying. People who are concerned about Islamism should set an example by doing likewise but in a balanced way, rather than by just trying to whip up hysteria. For more of my thoughts on this matter, see my post Islamism vs. Muslim reformers and moderates: Response to “The Apostate”.

P.S., 4/30/2008: I just now tried to post the following as a comment on the About page of “Creeping Sharia,” but it didn’t go through for whatever reason, though I tried several times:

Creeping wrote:

The facts are that hate crimes against Jews occur much more frequently than against Muslims.

Your sources of statistics for this? In the U.S.A., specifically? I would expect this to vary quite a bit from one country to another, and from one region to another.

In any case, what’s your point in bringing that up? Do you blame all Muslims, in general for hate crimes against Jews? Or do you think that the large number of hate crimes against Jews somehow implies that we shouldn’t be concerned about hate crimes against Muslims too, as well as hate crimes against Jews?

Anyhow, watch my blog and you’ll see that I do take a stand against bigotry against Jews, too. See, for example, my post Refutations of some classic libels against Jews.

Diane – Please refrain from deliberately and incorrectly attributing words to this site which we have not stated.

Specifically what words have I attributed to you that you have not stated? And why do you suggest that I have done so “deliberately”?

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One Response to “More about the fine line between opposing Islamism and promoting bigotry against Muslims”

  1. Mark Says:

    You have my support. I recently offered my pro-Constitution perspective over at Creeping Sharia and have since been called a moron for disagreeing with them.


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